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Mickers
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I think people forget that ultimate judgement comes after we leave this life not before.

Unless you don't believe in life after death. That's up to you. :wink:

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I think people forget that ultimate judgement comes after we leave this life not before.

Unless you don't believe in life after death. That's up to you. :wink:

How is this related here? We can't just let criminals run around without judging them because they might be judged (again) in a possible afterlife.

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My point wasn't that criminals shouldn't be judged. In an imperfect world people are too pre-occupied with how well justice is dished out. Even though a flawless system will never happen one can be at ease if they remember what were here for and that there is a perfect judge once we leave this place. :)

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Watching the videos isn’t hurting anyone. Making the videos does. Let's be imperial here. In this particular case if the prosecutor can prove the [Accused] has seen the videos then there should be grounds to not allow the viewing.


I want to make another point if i take a picture of my 2 year old in a bath tub for instance. Under most US State laws, I just created child porn. There are 2 very twisted sides to this argument and often its based on feelings and opinion. This makes a more interesting argument. How do you prove harm? If I take a picture of someone in an embarrassing situation and post it on facebook with mutual friends. I just cyber bullied. If my mom did it though because she thought that same pic was cute should she be prosecuted?
Now we ask when should we just ask those allegedly victimized to grow a thicker skin. Honestly where does this insanity stop.

In the US at least it has become almost fashionable to take offence and try and get laws created to punish the oppressors.

[Now back to the program here] .. can someone in prison hurt someone outside. Yes it happens all the time. What actual purpose can watching these videos serve unless there is an actual argument on if they are actually child porn. In that case I am betting we are all getting more hung up on the charge and to little on the content.


Now let’s ask another very gripping question. If merely viewing the videos is a crime then as soon as the judge jury prosecutor are presented with the video as evidence arent they also guilty?. Or is it the intent alone to enjoy it that makes him guilty. Do we hook him the jury, Judge, and prosecutor up to some sort of device scientifically proven to detect enjoyment?


[my opinion] Burn in hell child porn watchers and makers


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But that's also not a good excuse to subvert the legal process either.

That's what the whole point of the first post was. Our system is so ****ed up, they allow these things to happen.

Despite the crime committed against them their rights are fully intact and nothing of theirs has been sacrificed in that regard.

So, you're telling me, that a peeping tom has the right to watch women undress through windows and that the woman has no right to be upset or no right to have him arrested?

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That's what the whole point of the first post was. Our system is so **** up, they allow these things to happen.


That's not a sign of a system that's f'd up. That's how the legal system is supposed to work. Innocent until proven guilty, you have the right to confront your accusers and access to the evidence presented against you. Again, you're letting your feelings about this one person, the nature of the crimes they're alleged to have committed, their accusers and the evidence against them cloud your judgment.

So, you're telling me, that a peeping tom has the right to watch women undress through windows and that the woman has no right to be upset or no right to have him arrested?


A crime was committed against them, they reported the crime, the alleged offender has been arrested and will stand trial.


Again, you're letting emotions get in the way of better judgment. It's not the fault of the legal system that a victim may have to endure more pain at the hands of a criminal to see justice done; it's the fault of the criminal.

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You have to realize, HE is granted permission to view it. The rapist... How is him viewing the material that he made, help him prove himself innocent?
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You have to realize, HE is granted permission to view it. The rapist... How is him viewing the material that he made, help him prove himself innocent?


Are you so intimately familiar with the case that you know as an immutable truth that the evidence has absolutely no value towards his defense?

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This will sound harsh but given that most sex offenders tend to be repeat offenders, which means any treatment they get is useless. I think they should be castrated.

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I don't care if it's legally right or not, child molester's should have no rights. They take away the rights of the kids when they rape them, therefore, their punishment should be getting their rights taken away as well.
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I don't care if it's legally right or not, child molester's should have no rights. They take away the rights of the kids when they rape them, therefore, their punishment should be getting their rights taken away as well.


An eye for an eye, huh?

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I don't care if it's legally right or not, child molester's should have no rights. They take away the rights of the kids when they rape them, therefore, their punishment should be getting their rights taken away as well.


And their rights will be taken away once they're found guilty in a court of law, what do you find difficult to understand about that?

By the way, this blinded rage mentality you subscribe to just about got a woman in Oklahoma killed recently. Why? Because another woman thought she was Casey Anthony and decided to ram her car off the road. An INNOCENT woman was targeted because of another's mindless hatred, and for her inability to control her emotions, the other woman has now thrown her life away for nothing.

At some point I'm hoping you see the futility of this way of being.

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And their rights will be taken away once they're found guilty in a court of law, what do you find difficult to understand about that?

He gets to view the porn in jail. He's already found guilty.
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being in jail doesnt mean your convicted. it simply means your incarcerated possibly awaiting trial
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