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Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by MancioDellaVega » 25 Jun 2020, 11:01

I'm total agree with the +1 vote for all post especially the post with code...and naturally below the post There must be names
all those who voted...

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by joedf » 06 Aug 2018, 16:13

Alibaba wrote:... my inexcusable AWOL time :oops:
That’s fine, glad you’re back :+1: ;)

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by Alibaba » 06 Aug 2018, 15:55

This thread has gone silent for a while now and i constantly feel like I'm bring old threads to life because of my inexcusable AWOL time :oops: but I'd like to say, that i really like the "accepted answer" feature and find it very sufficient. Like many others, i dont see a need for a +1 feature. Systems like that lead to comparison between users, not based on quality, but based on quantity. In my opinion any possibility to compare users involves the risk of propagating conflicts and we should very deeply weigh up such decisions.
I am also against counting how many topics were solved by a user, based on the same reason. The status quo with "accepted answers" fits our needs the best, since this feature provides a fast way to mark a post as "helpful/good quality" and does not need (just as it is an advantage of "+1") an extra post.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by joedf » 15 Jun 2018, 13:11

Okay, here’s what I found:
https://autohotkey.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=13066
https://autohotkey.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=43644

It seems it was voted for, but I never got a response for it. Also it would help a lot if a plugin exists because it takes time to develop it. Like the last plugin I did with bruttosozialprodukt for custom notifications on phpbb 3.0

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by joedf » 15 Jun 2018, 13:03

I think this is related to a previous discussion of a kudos system. But I think it was ruled out. Good point have been made.
I have to look for it...
Otherwise I just post a +1 post, and additionally we the mark solved feature already. :think:

As a side note:
I mean no disrespect, but if this conversation gets too personal, I will have to lock it.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by Helgef » 14 Jun 2018, 12:12

I appreciate the good intentions, and if used properly, as described by Exaskryz, certainly no harm would come, and I'd probably use it too. However, I believe in the more pessimistic view of gregster. To me, this has already been proven by bad experiences on the forum related to post count statistics.

Cheers.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by nnnik » 14 Jun 2018, 04:25

You made 10 comments so far - not even counting the edits.
What are you trying to tell use with "I didnt even made my first comment"

And yes my general opinion of upvotes in this forum is negative.
Now it is your job to provide arguments which could change my opinion.
Then Im going to prove my arguments and try to disprove your arguments.
However just saying "I disagree" is not any kind of valid argument - you need to state why you disagree.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by Flipeador » 14 Jun 2018, 03:26

You can take as fact what you want, there is nothing more to say on my part. I find it regrettable that you have only made two comments where you do not argue anything and come to make that poor comment.
I'm not willing to discuss anything with people who refused from the beginning without argument anything. Much less someone who only put +1 and waited last to tell me this. It is more than clear your negative attitude. I hardly made my first comment, nobody stopped to think about it, not even a little.
I say what I think, and I honestly do not agree with the comparisons of gregster. That is all.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by nnnik » 13 Jun 2018, 23:21

I know that I would change my behavior. And this is neither exaggerated nor immature (the only counter arguments you provided).
With your posts you have pretty much proven some of jeeswgs points. (By calling his entire attitude immature you essentially prove his "dog piling" point.)

You do not provide any counter arguments to the arguments provided by gregster or jeeswg at least I haven't seen any except for the claims that these arguments are immature or excegerated.

I could provide more arguments here but I do not see the reason if the predictable destructive response is "immature" or "exaggerated".

Can I take the fact that you stopped talking to gregster as an withdrawal of your suggestion?

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by gregster » 13 Jun 2018, 19:10

Carelessness rather comes to mind, reading your responses.
Is this what we have today so awful?

Edit: Wow, innovation for innovation's sake - now you seem to be riding a dead horse. I have worked a long time in online marketing. There, and in markting generally, you sell a lot - with something we called bullshit bingo - to people who didn't need it.
Although - and especially - we don't have anything to sell here, it could even be - figuratively - a selling point not to follow the bandwagon. We are really lucky in this regard.

You should rather define what is not working and how upvotes could solve this (without leading to the effects I described).
What can an upvote do what verbal feedback cannot do (aside from being potentially more hip or new - and I would seriously even doubt that)? Especially, if you have to rate the upvotes, like you believe? Perhaps we could have a voting system for votes :shifty:

Edit2: now that it could get interesting... I think these are some legitimate questions (and concerns).

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by Flipeador » 13 Jun 2018, 19:08

Sorry to use this word constantly, but your comment seems exaggerated (I can not find a better word to describe it), I have nothing more to say. You have taken a simple comment of mine to justify everything that has already been said.
Edit: It's about "innovating"(maybe it's not the best word, I mean try something new) not about staying stuck in time just 'cause "it's working" (you should define that).

Edit2: I think you've gone too far. I will not continue talking to you, not someone who seems to mock.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by gregster » 13 Jun 2018, 18:58

Flipeador wrote:In the end the most important thing is to have fun and have a good time, it's nice to know that someone has voted you positively.
That's part of what I mean. Personal fun for some that might ruin the whole thing for others. In the end, upvotes don't tell you much - upvotes are given for all kind of reasons, not necessarily quality. For example, to get upvotes back, to vote with a guru or even because you don't understand a complicated post, even for personal sympathy totally unrelated to the actual post.
Usually, after a while, you see that the regulars will shower each other with upvotes - even for negligible posts. Other people will feel obligated to give upvotes back to someone who regularly votes for them. Others will be sad, because they feel that they deliver bad quality, although the lack of votes might have other reasons. Of course, all these (and a number of other) behaviours will benefit certain people and will have social effects. But you won't even know why exactly you did get the votes... I am not even starting with the effects of envy.

All these effects will de-value the original purpose and will often lead to less individual and less detailed feedback (pushing a button is so much faster and easier). Real feedback can give so much more valuable information about the quality of a post than a +1 (like you wrote yourself, you wouldn't value each +1 the same; that shows the arbitrariness of the whole system). In the end, we might even lose information.
I do not try to ruin anything, but to improve and make the forum more user-friendly.
Nobody talked about you trying to do that. But even best intentions can go awry. Is this what we have today so awful?

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by Flipeador » 13 Jun 2018, 18:08

Haha you made me laugh (I do not say it in a bad way). I think I have already given my arguments, and they seem fair enough. If you do not agree, well, I respect it.
Edit: I do not try to ruin anything, but to improve and make the forum more user-friendly.
Edit2: In the end the most important thing is to have fun and have a good time, it's nice to know that someone has voted you positively.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by gregster » 13 Jun 2018, 18:02

Well, you doubled down. No need to insist on something like this without further arguments (if at all).
But ok, then we seem to be on the isle of the blissful, totally disconnected from the rest of the internet and human behaviour in general (this thread might be already a small proof against it, though :shh: )... and they lived happily ever after.

Edit: I have seen it in smaller forums, too. It is not a matter of size, but of human nature.
Edit2: Perhaps you are just a little to careless in endangering something that works.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by Flipeador » 13 Jun 2018, 17:49

You are comparing pears with cows. I never called anyone immature, I said the comment sounded a bit immature, and besides, I never referred to you.
Edit: You are comparing social networks with millions of users, with AutoHotkey.com. In addition, the type of users, as I mentioned, is different.
Edit2: I do not think that a voting system causes so much drama. I think you're exaggerating this too much, maybe you hate social networks, and that's why you're so defensive.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by gregster » 13 Jun 2018, 17:40

Oh, great, if we have some other type of users here, let's just try something different here, without upvotes.
You do not seem to understand the real purpose of this.
It is not the alleged purpose that I criticise, but the real effects that will occur and that can be observed all over the internet. Upvotes change how people interact - you can call me immature for this observation, but then you are wildly out of touch :D

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by Flipeador » 13 Jun 2018, 17:29

You are very wrong, the problem is not the votes, but the type of users. And yes, his comment is a bit immature.
gregster wrote:Feedback is great (positive and constructive), but why break everything down to numbers instead of a personal comment? Numbers are not the same as words.
You do not seem to understand the real purpose of this. Nobody said that. Exaskryz described it very well.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by gregster » 13 Jun 2018, 17:23

Flipeador wrote:Your attitude seems a bit immature to me.
I don't see this as immature, but have you been to the internets recently?
I think all these social networks work mostly on narcissism, insecurity and immaturity - and upvotes are a large part of the fodder that fuel their essential social processes.
I can understand that most people are already used to these systems, but it would be great if we could resist these mechanisms.

Feedback is great (positive and constructive), but why break everything down to numbers instead of a personal comment? Numbers are not the same as words.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by Flipeador » 13 Jun 2018, 16:51

The votes must be public, what worries you? What do you hide? They must be totally honest, fair, transparent. If you hide something, just do not vote and that's it. This is also important to avoid the abuse of positive votes, otherwise they would not have as much importance.
Edit: Your attitude seems a bit immature to me.
Edit2: I do not know what you're talking about, why should we tolerate insults?, that is not allowed. I would never vote a insult, even if it was directed at my worst enemy. Insults and wars do not lead to anything good, you have to take it seriously, there is nothing dark in a positive vote.

Re: +1 feature on the forum

Post by jeeswg » 13 Jun 2018, 16:42

- I wouldn't want my +1s to be public. (I.e. people can see what I 'liked'.)
- 'Why did you praise me? What do you want from me?'
- 'Why didn't you praise me?'

- After many minutes it suddenly occurred to me what the dark side of +1s are.
- +1 can be used in the worst way possible.
- Dogpiling. Person A insults Person B. Lots of people +1 Person A's comment. Even worse if the +1s are public.

- I had thought that +1s on a user's page could be good. A general +1 for the user as a whole. A maximum of 1 +1 from each user.

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