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opinions on Stack Overflow

24 Dec 2016, 08:29

I would be interested in anything anyone has to say about Stack Overflow, other Stack Exchanges, or similar sites.
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Re: opinions on Stack Overflow

27 Dec 2016, 15:35

I've had a torrid time at the Stack Overflow forum.
People seem to want to *challenge* rather than answer the questions.
'If they don't know the answer, they don't like the question.'
I've had some entertaining exchanges there, I've only been there
for about 4/5 days, and I've learnt about a whole new world
where the culture is:

'Windows 7's default image viewer can't even handle animated gifs.'
'Animation has never been a standard feature for GIF images. It's a non-standard extension, and an application that decides to support standard features only isn't broken.'
That exchange was from:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4131 ... 7_41312249

I think *here* at AutoHotkey, we have the perfect combination of people with techy skills,
but a normal mindset.

Raymond Chen even popped into one of my forum questions,
to make one comment #FeelingBlessed.
This one:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4132 ... 3_41326834

One comment I posted:
The moment I became a programmer was when I couldn't do ctrl+s on Internet Explorer,
and I said 'that's enough' and added it in myself, true story.

Anyway my questions are here:
http://stackoverflow.com/users/6437863/ ... =questions

Please let me know if I'm in the wrong, or in the right, or a bit of both.
Also tell me what you think of some of the people responding to me.

Oh yes, the moderators already came knocking, saying my questions had low ratings of -1.
If anyone actually likes my questions, and wants to upvote, I would love a bit of moral support,
it's been horrible there.

When I get my GUI function library finished, to do all GUIs via DllCall and not make use of the GUI commands (which will be similar to Gdip.ahk, and not use objects),
I will carry on with Functional Windows, my shell folder replacement.
I hear now that Windows 10 has weird issues to do with icons. I'm on 7, and I daren't look into the future.
I like a lot of things about Windows though, and I love how Winapi, Acc (MSAA) and COM allow you to correct all the mistakes,
well most of them. I'll be doing a website in the next few months, I've already done Hello World with it.

Anyway I've only been on this forum a short time, and it's been a real pleasure,
especially to interact with some of my favourite AutoHotkey users!
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Re: opinions on Stack Overflow

27 Dec 2016, 22:31

yeah... SO can be little over the top sometimes... :p
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Re: opinions on Stack Overflow

28 Dec 2016, 11:56

jeeswg wrote:Please let me know if I'm in the wrong, or in the right, or a bit of both.
Also tell me what you think of some of the people responding to me.

i think you should start listening and trying to understand what those responders are saying to you.

jeeswg wrote:Oh yes, the moderators already came knocking, saying my questions had low ratings of -1.
If anyone actually likes my questions, and wants to upvote, I would love a bit of moral support,
it's been horrible there.

thats the whole point of the site. crowdsourced moderation. no one moderator determines whether or not your question is good or your answer is good. the community decides

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Re: opinions on Stack Overflow

29 Dec 2016, 03:09

Re: 'i think you should start listening', yes, I think the only
constructive thing they've told me is check out UI Automation,
which I will do eventually. I think by their standards
almost every script we write in AutoHotkey is unacceptable in some way,
which is somewhat of a problem. I will probably look over their comments
again but they are generally unfriendly and unhelpful.

Re: 'no one moderator determines whether or not your question is good or your answer is good'.
No-one on that site cares about my questions because they are
not the low-hanging fruit questions that stroke the egos of the moderators.
So for each question my best hope is for a 0 rating, 'please don't downvote, please don't downvote'.
That the moderators spoke to me is neutral, it's just the system's policy,
but what's individualistic is the moderators' mentality,
it was 4 of them at me at the same time, same vitriol, same mindset.
Worse, an odd friendly comment might have been welcome,
you can downvote me AND be nice. Btw I was even being told
to change how I think, that I was thinking wrong.

Nobody should ever use a Windows XP computer
because it's been deprecated by Windows 10.

Nobody should use a computer because there was a bug in
the first OR gate, so any computer that uses an OR gate
is now deprecated.

Other of my SO question areas, they left alone. But their area of expertise,
let's find a reason to give an immediate -1, let's not 'warn and wait'.
Only one of *those* questions is on 0 because of an upvote.

You can only draw a '1' with a hat and a tail, no other form is allowed.

I think they're giving me -1 because that's the highest number
you can get in unsigned integers.

I'm still waiting for them to admit that every piece of software
they've ever used or written does something nonstandard
and breaks the rules.

I wonder how they'd feel if they lost 1000 reputation points
every time they made a spelling mistake, every time
they said virtually anything.

It's not coincidence when *everything* you say get's a -1
that's sabotage.

On other stacks, and on other question areas on SO,
where I'm equally non-expert, I'm doing alright,
a person who gets 0 on everything will rethink
just as much as a person who gets -1,
but at least they aren't stress central,
and have the user privileges to post more than 2 urls
per question.

Btw with Acc (MSAA) how much relating to ctrl+left/ctrl+right,
can you actually do, or for keypresses generally. Also can you
right-click a button in the taskbar, i.e. 'DoDefaultAction'
usually left-clicks it, can you do a non-default action.

My prejudice is to think of Acc/UIA in terms of AccViewer only,
passive text retrieval, although use := and you're setting the text instead.
And for my new best friend, UI Automation (thanks SO), what can that do.
Also messages can get all the information from a listview,
but I think via Acc, this is not possible.

Anyway a great philosopher once wrote: you either win or you learn (wtte),
and I'm learning. Since I'm struggling to understand these people,
I'm looking for a go-between to help me out i.e. another perspective. And quite literally to these people
who hate PostMessage/SendMessage, don't shoot the messenger!
I've been 'troubled on every side‚ yet not distressed ...'.
Anyway, thanks Tank these two phrases have been sticking with me,
and the phrase '... but were afraid to ask', has new resonance that it
never had before, ironic for a forum where you ask questions.

It's a bit Faustian, software that works, or software that has approval.
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Re: opinions on Stack Overflow

29 Dec 2016, 05:20

@guest3456, not saying that I disagree with you, but I think it's going to be to quite hard to pin down anything I said on the forum that is particularly unreasonable.
Especially compared to what they say, and their hyperbole, and their straw man arguments, or rather haystack monster arguments they are so over-the-top
and such a distortion of the things I had said.
I would welcome any comments to be singled out.

I just had a read through my questions for the first time.
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Re: opinions on Stack Overflow

31 Dec 2016, 06:49

CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES, come on ... fifty reputation!
I can comment on questions i.e. AutoHotkey questions,
woohoo I am now more helpful.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=FIFTY+POUND+NOTE
Well look, I'm part of the furniture now,
practically a moderator.
Believe it or not I'm walking on air.
There are talkers and there are doers, talkers talk, doers do.
But Darius hit back and boldly told the producer: “I will have a triple platinum album by the time I am 35. I will succeed.”
23 Dec: first api question, 31 Dec: 54 points and 8 badges.
54 points: '......................................................'.
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Re: opinions on Stack Overflow

01 Jan 2017, 20:21

Well I made it to 50 reputation points, I don't think anybody noticed.
OK so I acquired the ability to upvote a bit before that,
and I remembered a post about ComboBoxes.
This had worked in Windows XP but broke on Windows 7,
'Control, Choose' would visually select the item, but the program wasn't being made aware,
unless a keypress was sent.
Cf. TBM_SETPOS / TBM_SETPOSNOTIFY for trackbars (volume controls).

Well I found the post and who should be there but the usual suspects,
criticising the question, making unhelpful comments, possibly downvoting
the most useful article for me on Stack Overflow at the time.
And in the end he fixed the problem by himself.
windows - How to simulate selection change in the "file type" ComboBox in GetSaveFileName dialog from a separate process? - Stack Overflow
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2895 ... vefilename

When time becomes a loop.
Repeat after me, 'history'.

So on its sister website, Super User, my favourite post is the quickest
way to rename an extension when you've not got AutoHotkey to hand,
the trick is to use the ren command and drag-and-drop a file into cmd to get the path.
Efficiently change a single file extension in Windows - Super User
http://superuser.com/questions/248501/e ... in-windows

The post was by Synetech who has a 5-digit rep
and talks about the negativity of the moderators.
User Synetech - Super User
http://superuser.com/users/3279/synetech

Thank you c00000fd & Synetech you first-order geniuses.

I liked a quote here, classic:
c# - VS 2010 Shortcut for debugging a specific project - Stack Overflow
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9375 ... ic-project
Yup. I'd rather spend a night or two coding this kind of feature myself and offer it as public VS plugin than wait for MS'Devs to offer it in "VS 2050" (^^)

We're not all insane you know.

I think my next post will be Stack Overflow: Best of 2016.
The Quotation Collection. 'Don't quote this I never wrote this.'
ManualColdlock signing out.

HAPPY NEW YEAH OVERFLOWERS.
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Re: opinions on Stack Overflow

12 Jan 2017, 02:22

I'll be back, like the game show The Apprentice (US version).
In the meantime I would happily welcome any viewpoints on Stack Overflow, to break up my monologue.
Also, please anyone who likes my questions there, upvote, because they have disabled
my question-asking privileges, I didn't realise until today when I was going to ask
a useful question about C++ that would probably get a lot of upvotes. How typically silly of them!
You got my back?

http://stackoverflow.com/users/6437863/ ... t=activity

PS I can't ask my C++ / Maxima CAS (mathematics freeware) questions for SIX MONTHS
unless I get some upvotes!!! Basically because some moderator(s) downvoted all my Winapi questions!

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