autohotkey.net up for grabs

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Do you want autohotkey.net back

Yes
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No
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nnnik
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

01 Jun 2018, 10:25

Well if we'd offer a new service it should point to the main domain.
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

04 Jun 2018, 10:40

+1
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

04 Jun 2018, 15:25

Leave it as is, nobody is going to buy autohotkey . net - let the make their 2 cts a year with "advertising" (searchengines and antivirus software are going to block traffic to that website soon enough if there is "fishy" stuff on it - you can even take the time to report the domain to google and antivirus venders).
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

05 Jun 2018, 14:12

I don't completely understand how you lost the name to begin with......are the rules such that even if you have been paying for the domain in question, it can still be pulled out from in under you?
That just doesn't sound kosher at all.
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

05 Jun 2018, 19:41

well it happened while AHK wasn't very organized. And AutoHotkey LLC didn't exist
try it and see
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

06 Jun 2018, 14:21

Then, it is a name that was never really ours (for the lack of a better collective) to begin with? ....but, yet, there are lots of references to 'autohotkey.net' out there on 3rd party sites, if I am not mistaken, which would make using a different domain name difficult. How were we even using 'autohotkey.net' to begin with?

It is sounding to me like it never really WAS ours to being with, and now someone has squatted on the name (which I think is a reprehensible thing to do, but there is no law against it, so people will do it in the interest of making a buck)
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

06 Jun 2018, 14:32

I am quite sure it was ours at the time when it was hacked, but I don't remember the specifics (I am sure the mods and admins from back then can), but I assume we lost control over the net-domain during the time, when we hadn't control over the domain autohotkey.com either... which lead to the founding of the LLC and the temporary domain ahkscript.org which, fortunately, later could be re-united with the original autohotkey.com domain. (Compare https://autohotkey.com/foundation/history.html)

With that said, I am against buying it for this prize.
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

06 Jun 2018, 14:37

MrJamesEMcBride wrote:Then, it is a name that was never really ours (for the lack of a better collective) to begin with? ....but, yet, there are lots of references to 'autohotkey.net' out there on 3rd party sites, if I am not mistaken, which would make using a different domain name difficult. How were we even using 'autohotkey.net' to begin with?

It is sounding to me like it never really WAS ours to being with, and now someone has squatted on the name (which I think is a reprehensible thing to do, but there is no law against it, so people will do it in the interest of making a buck)

Autohotkey.net was ours. it got hacked and we lost everything on it which was a file repo. then the site admin at the time decided to stop renewing it. the problem is we still have thousands of orphaned links to it and it is now dishing out malicious content
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

06 Jun 2018, 16:17

OK, I understand a little better now.

Yeah, I think it is a lost cause to try to get the domain back, esp for that ridiculous price.

Too bad that site admin allowed it to lapse :(

I know that it probably wouldnt do much good, but anyone who keeps up with what is going on here will be able to change whatever links they have to their new locations. Those who don't keep up, well, they will still have garbage links on their sites.

I don't want to pay jerks (they arent criminals, even though what they are doing is amoral), but I also do not want to see this community go away.
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

06 Jun 2018, 23:42

They are not jerks they are parasytes.
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

07 Jun 2018, 07:21

There are various "how much traffic does this site have" website / tools out there, the results are of course a stab in the dark but if you check both the .com and .net domains you can see a huge difference in the number of visitors - .com is vastly bigger and the "ad revenue generated" by the .net is estimated at 1US$ a day (the average of a few I tried). So their .net traffic is very low and will continue to drop over time the more crap they put on it (browsers and AV will block it) - websites going "offline" happens all the time.

If I google for autohotkey . net google already suggests did you mean .com and only shows me .com results on the first page of results.

Sure it wouId be nice to have .net but anything over 5 dollars isn't worth it - perhaps one day a lawyer with an interest in AutoHotkey will see this page and volunteer to draft a proper "give it back" letter - until then I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.

It would also be nice to have all . net links from the old form actually "removed" (not just the javascript trick that is currently in place) - just have it point to the fixed "archive" post - that would require the old forum posts to be edited which could be a tricky task given the size.
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

07 Jun 2018, 14:37

I will do a small update on the history page to mention what ahk.net is. Didn't realize it was not described in there at all. :think:

nnnik wrote:They are not jerks they are parasytes.

"Parasytes"? I think you mean Parasites. You watch too much anime, it has affected your spelling. :HeHe:
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

08 Jun 2018, 03:35

I think it is cost
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

13 Jun 2018, 13:16

tank wrote:...Yea we definitely need a lawyer

There were several that would frequent our IRC channels.
tank wrote:...the problem is we still have thousands of orphaned links to it and it is now dishing out malicious content

ahh yes that could be an issue :think:
exams.. :headwall:
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Re: autohotkey.net up for grabs

15 Jun 2018, 05:29

Why are we not using domain arbitration?
Unless the current owners can demonstrate a LEGITIMATE claim to the domain, you can have it taken away from them.
WE DO NOT NEED A TRADEMARK. We are AutoHotkey, they have ZERO claim to an AHK domain. This should be very plain sailing as it is clearly cybersquatting - there is nothing on the domain AutoHotkey.net which is to do with AHK - therefore, they have no claim to it, and if they are openly selling it on the market with no valid claim to it, that's cybersquatting.

Here are the rules that cover the .Net gTLD
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/p ... 2-02-25-en

See section 4, particularly item (b) "Evidence of Registration and Use in Bad Faith"

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